Re: Trump, what a seasoned politician
Posted by **comic relief** on Feb 11, 2018 at 5:40:32 PM:
In Reply to: Re: Trump, what a seasoned politician posted by **Winston OBoogie** on Feb 11, 2018 at 3:09:38 PM:
******and in this case politican is definitely meant negatively. Low-life petty acting truly swampy politician.
******and if anybody thinks that this behavior is presidential or - more importantly - adequate or good for the country/world I can only say: go fuck yourself
******What a moron.
*****Intelligent people can discern between a joking comment and a serious one. He was obviously joking on this. Try again.
**Why would you think he's joking? It's well known that he has always demanded absolute loyalty from anybody he associates with. And in that speech he first says they're un-American, then riffs to the 'Can we call that 'treason', why not. I mean they certainly didn't seem to love our country very much'. While the Donald is just a joke, it shouldn't be joked about to call a dissenting opinion or an opposition party 'treasonous'. First it's a joke, then it will be policy. That is why he speaks so highly of people like Rodrigo Duterte, Xi Jinping, Kim Jong Un, and Vladimir Putin. They don't like someone who opposes them, they torture and kill them. I'm sure the Donald just creams his big boy pants thinking about that.
*****And one thing to remember...Trump is NOT a politician.. he never has been. Maybe that's why the establishment politicians hate him so much.
**Or maybe they hate him because he currently holds the highest political office in the country and has absolutely no fucking clue what he is doing.
****Are you in favor of this idiotic military parade he wants to spend millions on? I can think of better ways to spend that money.
***The parade will be to mark the 100th anniversary of the end of WW1 on November 11, 1918. I don't really see the harm in holding such a parade. It will serve as a reminder that our military still exists and remains strong and also as a reminder to some other countries as well.
**Seriously, you actually think some massive parade is needed to show the world the strength of the US military??? The 800 military bases in 70 different countries don't remind people of that? The 540 drone strikes didn't remind them? 70+ years of military supremacy hasn't shown that? Somehow tanks and missile launchers parading down Pennsylvania Ave for the Donald's amusement would show them that strength? If anything, it shows the world how low the US has truly fallen. When the US conducts itself like North Korea, there's a serious issue.
**When you're strong, you don't need to make grandiose exhibitions of your strength. It's tin-pot dictators that demand such displays. I know the Donald admires tyrants and dictators and wishes he was one, but, for the time being, he's not one.
***There are already a myriad of organizations that support the Veterans and one parade isn't going to hurt.
**The type of parade he envisions is quite different than your standard main street parade on the 4th of July. He is a child with the biggest and best set of army men to play with, and we need to make sure he treats his toys properly.
***I'm sure those that will participate in the parade won't mind it a bit either. It'll be nice for them to get out and listen to all that support from those they serve to protect. Don't you think?
**89% of Military Times readers say no.
**And which is it, is it a parade to remind the world of US military strength, or is it a chance to show support for the service men and women? When the Donald orders it, it's only about the Donald. He wants to show how big and powerful he is, so he wants everybody to see his big military.
**BTW, good to see you're still fully supporting the Donald and defending his idiocy. But you're not a Trump supporter, right?
*The parade is being held on the 100th anniversary of the end of of World War One. Look it up and stop believing it's "all about Trump" it's not.
“It was a tremendous day, and to a large extent because of what I witnessed, we may do something like that on July 4th in Washington down Pennsylvania Avenue,” Trump said. “We’re going to have to try to top it, but we have a lot of planes going over and a lot of military might, and it was really a beautiful thing to see, and representatives from different wars and different uniforms.”
Trump said he wanted the U.S. to have “a really great parade to show our military strength.”
Read the words from the man himself, he wants to show strength and hold a parade bigger than France. It is all about the Donald. The only reason that it would coincide with the WWI anniversary is because the people that are in charge of carrying out this idiotic demand need to sell something NOBODY but the Donald actually wants.
*"The problem isn't that our Liberal friends are ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so". - Ronald Reagan
*he also said
*"If Fascism ever comes to America it will come in the name Liberalism". Wise man that Reagan.
*Wow it sounds like he just described you and your pals.
*Get some education and so some research of your own for a change.
*Or go watch CNN and MSNBC who btw, are doing a great job trying to make Kim Jung Un's sister look like a movie star at the Olympics.
*I believe the word Pathetic pretty much sums it all up.
Yes, it's the liberals that are ushering in fascism, not the orange clown in the White House. Read through this and see if any of it jumps out:
1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism.
From the prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.
2. Disdain for the importance of human rights.
The regimes themselves viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause.
The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the peoples attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice, relentless propaganda and disinformation were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite spontaneous acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and terrorists. Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.
4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism.
Ruling elites always identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite.
5. Rampant sexism.
Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in Draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses.
6. A controlled mass media.
Under some of the regimes, the mass media were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public unaware of the regimes excesses.
7. Obsession with national security.
Inevitably, a national security apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting national security, and questioning its activities was portrayed as unpatriotic or even treasonous.
8. Religion and ruling elite tied together.
Unlike communist regimes, the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to the predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves as militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling elites behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion was generally swept under the rug.
Propaganda kept up the illusion that the ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the godless. A perception was manufactured that opposing the power elite was tantamount to an attack on religion.
9. Power of corporations protected.
Although the personal life of ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure military production (in developed states), but also as an additional means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of interests, especially in the repression of have-not citizens.
10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated.
Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice.
11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts.
Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal.
Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.
12. Obsession with crime and punishment.
Most of these regimes maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked power, leading to rampant abuse. Normal and political crime were often merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of criminals or traitors was often promoted among the population as an excuse for more police power.
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption.
Those in business circles and close to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves. This corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well: for example, by stealing national resources. With the national security apparatus under control and the media muzzled, this corruption was largely unconstrained and not well understood by the general population.
14. Fraudulent elections.
Elections in the form of plebiscites or public opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with candidates were held, they would usually be perverted by the power elite to get the desired result. Common methods included maintaining control of the election machinery, intimidating an disenfranchising opposition voters, destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite.
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