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Re: Tragedy in Texas

Posted by **Winston OBoogie** on Nov 8, 2017 at 9:22:24 AM:
In Reply to: Re: Tragedy in Texas posted by **comic relief** on Nov 8, 2017 at 9:07:19 AM:

**********We should all pray for the victims and their families affected by this lunatic that just walked into their church and started shooting..26 dead so far including the 14 year old daughter of the pastor. When the political and prejudicial division of our people ends, that's when this type of senseless violence will stop.
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**********ALL lives matter.
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*********If praying makes you feel better, then by all means, pray your heart out.
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*********I don't pray so telling me I *should* means nothing to me. So far, prayers haven't amounted to a hill of beans for the victims of the repeated mass shootings. Prayers are like funerals. They benefit the survivors, not the dead.
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*********Roughly half of the victims of this murderous act included children, the youngest 18 months old. In church. On Sunday morning. Imagine an 18 month old child being slaughtered by an assault rifle in church.
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*********This is our reality. Life in the U.S. includes random mass killings by psychotic individuals. This gunman was dishonorably discharged from the Air Force after being court martialed for abusing his girlfriend and fracturing the skull of her young son. And here he was, out living his life, buying guns and planning mass murder.
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*********Nothing will stop it. Especially not "thoughts and prayers."
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********You could always do something secular, like light a candle or something for those poor people, doesn't have to be god/ christian related.
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********Also, unless this man bought his guns illegally, and we don't know that surely?...Assume he bought them legally, wouldn't you have thought that the FBI would have known that he was dishonourably discharged and therefore couldn't get hold of them ....legally...if that's the case, then why didn't the FBI know?
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********anyway, I'll pray for them, think of them and light a candle for them.....
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*******From the news I've heard this morning the Air Force failed to report his court martial and "behavior" problems to the FBI. Breakdown in the "system" and human error. Who knows how often it happens.
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******So hang it all on some AF personnelman who didn't make an entry in this guys service jacket and let's overlook why his supposed therapy while in the mental ward didn't work.
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******You're right this unfortunately happens probably more than we know.
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******I will still continue to pray for those left behind.
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*****I'm "hanging it" on the system that's supposed to work but obviously doesn't.
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*****Keep praying; I'm sure that's a great comfort to the families of the murdered.
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****NO system is ever infallible. Humans make mistakes and sometimes those mistakes lead to bad things being perpetrated by others.
****Like you indicated, it probably happens more than we think.
****What gets me is the DNC trying to turn this tragedy into a political issue with their anti-gun rants again.
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***I'm betting that Trump turning the New York terror attack into a political issue with his anti-immigration rants didn't bother you one bit.
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****It's the failure to document these unstable lunatics and keep them from getting guns not more gun laws. Criminals and terrorists love gun laws. It makes their efforts so much easier
****when they know they are mowing down unarmed innocents.
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****Kudos to those who chased this jerk down so he didn't get away
****alive.
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***I'm speculating here, but it seems this guy was given multiple chances because he was military. A lot of law enforcement is ex military and when they're dealing with what they think is a one off mistake, they'll cut a fellow serviceman a break. I'm sure that a lot of the time it's warranted and guys deserve a second chance, but this is one instance where that failed miserably. There were multiple violent issues that should have established a pattern and put up plenty of flags to make sure this guy never touched a pocket knife, let alone a semi-automatic rifle, but for whatever reason the dots never got connected.
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***Cue conspiracy theories now...
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***It's unfortunate that this is the new normal. Just a couple days earlier a guy walked into a Walmart here with a handgun and killed a 3 people. That was quickly overshadowed by this shooting and it won't be long before another shooting happens.
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**Yes there are instances where military people get breaks after an indiscretion because they are military or ex military and most of the time the person learns from it and moves on. There are just as many instances of that happening in the civilian sector as well. Somebody knows someone and cuts them a break. It happens every day.
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**I agree wrt this instance that there were too many red flags for them overlook and not document this guy's violations. Somebody clearly didn't do their job. And unfortunately this may be happening more often that we think.
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**And yes I agree.. this unfortunately is the new norm. Every single day we hear of shootings or someone getting killed and for no reason. Just in St Louis alone they average 3 a day and Chicago way worse. Most of it is black on black violence.
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**Education and better profile and mental screenings is a better solution than trying to enact another useless gun law which criminals don't abide by.
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*How can you require education and better profile and mental screenings without another useless gun law? Why would criminals follow education and background checks if they don't follow other useless gun laws?
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Education comes with upbringing. Whole generations out there aren't learning the values of their elders and all they know is what the hear from their peers who are no more educated than they are. How can we force them to get an education?... there's no way
to implement something like that. It's going to have to come within their own communities.

There are no easy ready made solutions to the problems. More and more gun laws is not the answer either because they will just put more restrictions on law abiding legal gun owners than they ever will on the criminals.

It's unfortunately just another complex problem that has no real effective solution.



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