Re: John About Hitting Women
Posted by **Beatles Fan Robert** on Sep 17, 2017 at 6:33:17 PM:
In Reply to: Re: John About Hitting Women posted by **JSL** on Sep 17, 2017 at 2:04:37 PM:
*****From the Playboy interview:
*****"PLAYBOY: "Getting Better."
*****LENNON: It is a diary form of writing. All that "I used to be cruel to my woman, I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved" was me. I used to be cruel to my woman, and physically -- any woman. I was a hitter. I couldn't express myself and I hit. I fought men and I hit women. That is why I am always on about peace, you see. It is the most violent people who go for love and peace. Everything's the opposite. But I sincerely believe in love and peace. I am not violent man who has learned not to be violent and regrets his violence. I will have to be a lot older before I can face in public how I treated women as a youngster."
*****The ironic thing is that he preached love and non-violence, but he hit Cynthia and cheated on her and Ono. A world-class hypocrite.
****there is no irony there - maybe you don't understand the meaning of the word irony
****how is something ironic if one is stating that they used to behave this way but have grown and educated themselves and no longer do it and regret it?
****now beyond this point lennon often exaggerates
****Cynthia Lennon has clearly stated that he slapped her ONE TIME and apologized profusely saying he would never do it again and she stated, "John was true to his word he never did"
****so why do you feel the need to continually raise this? because you do continually raise this.
****and yes he cheated on Yoko - and they separated for a period - are you seriously saying you have never heard this happening before especially in the music world??
****nobody said he was perfect, least of all lennon himself - john almost relished in a kind of flagellation
***I bring it up because there is a whole mythology about him that is just not 100% true.
***And hitting a woman once is once too much - what a cowardly thing to do, let alone one's own wife!
***It made his peace and love stuff only so much nonsense. Sorry for the strong opinion. But I feel very strongly about spousal abuse.
**Well said backbeat! John was not a hypocrite. He was honest about his own shortcomings and strived to rise above them. A hypocrite claims to be praiseworthy, when, in actuality, he is not.
* After his tragic death many made John out to be a Christ like figure. I think even John wouldn't agree with that view of himself. I think he'd appreciate being remembered as a great singer/songwriter and someone who promoted peace. But he was far from perfect. At times he could be a pretty bitter and insecure man.
I actually have pity on him; the tragic thing is that he did not live long enough to even change much, although he really did mellow in the Dakota years between 1976 and 1980.
- Re: John About Hitting Women - **JSL** - Sep 18, 2017 at 3:52:26 PM
- Re: John About Hitting Women - **Beatles Fan Robert** - Sep 19, 2017 at 8:37:15 AM
- Re: John About Hitting Women - **backbeat** - Sep 19, 2017 at 8:25:16 PM
- Re: John About Hitting Women - **Beatles Fan Robert** - Sep 20, 2017 at 7:38:57 AM
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