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Re: In case anyone missed Winston's racism
Posted by **Winston OBoogie** on Oct 6, 2013 at 7:27:30 PM:
In Reply to: Re: In case anyone missed Winston's racism posted by **BlackMonk** on Oct 6, 2013 at 6:15:20 PM:
*******"And the ONLY reason Obama is in a second term is because of the black and hispanic vote and most people know that."
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*******Actually, Romney lost with most demographics, but look at what this says. If someone has a large non-white vote, it makes his election less legitmate. Non-whites, according to Winston, evidently aren't real Americans.
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*******The ONLY reason Obama is in a second term is because the majority of Americans wanted him to be there.
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*******Now I'm curious as to who is going to repudiate his vileness and who is going to make excuses for him because he doesn't like Obama.
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******Another attempt at calling someone racist just because I don't agree with Obama. Pretty pathetic.
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******In case you ever decide to check into it yourself...
******Demographics of the 2012 show blacks with 96%, Latinos 71% and whites 39% voted for Obama. It's fair to say that Obama won because of the blacks and Latinos. FACT.
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******Not racist intended but realistically Obama won based on race.
******I call it for what it is.
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******If you want to do some research on the numbers go right ahead but don't try to bait people against me because you're narrow minded.
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*****i think the point he's making is that Obama won because he got enough votes from american voters to win - meaning all americans are equal with an equal say and an equal vote.
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****I'm not debating the idea that he won the popular vote. Or the idea that traditionally minorities vote Democrat. What I am stating is demographics prove he won because of the minority vote, and after talking to a number of these minorities myself, I have it have from their own words that they (and many others they indicated) voted for Obama because of race and race alone. The media and pollsters don't want to put that out there but it's a fact and I was stating it. I'm not FOX news.. I'm going to give it you straight because I've heard it from some of these minorities themselves.
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****BlackMonk is trying to misconstrue what I am saying and trying to racebait others into declaring me a racist. My statement is not racist and never was intended to be racist. I'm basing my comments on the conversations I've had and what some demographics show. But of course in BlankMonk and CR's eyes, they (the ones I've spoken with) are all ignorant liars too.
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****I'm going to walk away from this because there is no point trying to rationalize with those that are bent on calling others racist just because it relates something negative about Obama and his re-election particularly when it comes from minorities themselves. I seriously doubt BM or CR would confront anyone and call them an ignorant liar if they said they voted for Obama based on race. It's kind of hard to argue that I would think..
****wouldn't you?
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***Since no one here has said that, it's a moot point.
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***However, I will call you a liar anywhere and any time because you ARE a liar.
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***You're the only one who thinks that winning the election based on minority support is a negative thing. I never denied that he had strong support from non-whites. You're the racist who thinks that legitimizes him somehow.
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***Did you actually look at the demographics? Did you notice that Obama won by a large margin among those who considered healthcare to be the most important issue in the election? Sounds like Obama won a referendum on healthcare.
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***By the way, idiot, I AM a minority and I voted for Obama based on the issues.
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**YOU sure are one nasty, bigoted person. (idiot)? How does that make you any better than your ill conceived notion that the facts W presented was anything but the facts, and nothing negative about it? You also assume the negative things about all others who don't happen to vote the way you do. THAT is bigoted of you actually. And, after calling someone an idiot after giving you a lengthy reply to answer such an attack as you did? That is just as bad as when I did that to Murray, when I made a huge mistake in memory and jumped the gun to my assumption of him!
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**NOT Cool by either of us. YOU, unfortunately, just climbed into the same ROTTEN smelling boat as I was in, which I advice you to jump out and swim to a nice, rational shoreline where you can better think about things and people who don't agree with you.
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**I say all this because I care about you as well as anyone here, not because I dislike you or want to smear you in any way. If you can't see that, that is a shame, and will better tell the YOU you really are.
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**Here's a tip of ya: Maybe not jump to any racist card for anything said with the name Black in it. It may just be actual facts of who voted for who, and for whatever reason they did that. (Not then to be used for any proof of being a racist).
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**Food for thought, hopefully.
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*Get off your high horse.
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*It's telling that you defend Winston and pretend that he just presented facts. The only fact he presented was that there was a high minority vote for Obama. Beyond that, it's his interpretation.
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*In his own words, "the ONLY reason Obama is in a second term is because of the black and hispanic vote," as if that somehow makes his election less valid or representative of Americans. Guess what, the majority of Americans voted for Obama. Most of the country wanted him as president.
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*As I pointed out, the majority of people who considered healthcare the most important issue in the election voted for him, so the minority vote isn't the only reason he won. He also got the majority of women voting for him. Women are not a minority in this country, so again, the minority vote wasn't the only reason.
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*As for Winston's hypothesis that the reason minorities voted for Obama was because he's black, that has been frequently disproven in this thread. Obama's totals were in line with that of all Democratic presidential candidates. Can you understand how ridiculous it is to say that people who normally vote for Democratic candidates only voted for this Democratic candidate for his race?
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*The only evidence Winston offered in support of his claim was another, unsubstantiated claim that some minorities (how many? He didn't say) told him so. Conveniently, none of those people are here. Did they tell him what he claims? Did he misunderstand? Is he lying? We have no way of knowing. We do know that however many people he talked to, those people can only speak for themselves, not the millions of people in those ethnic groups.
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*As I said before, I can say with full confidence that he's wrong about one member of a minority group. I voted for Obama based on the issues. I don't make any claims to speak for all Jews, just myself, yet for some reason, Winston thinks he can use his claims about what a third party told him as evidence that millions of people voted for the reasons he claims.
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*It's telling that you've seen all of this before, yet you're ignoring it all to defend the indefensible.
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***Get off your high horse.
You're just not going to listen are you to someone else's viewpoint because it doesn't coincide with your own.
***It's telling that you defend Winston and pretend that he just presented facts. The only fact he presented was that there was a high minority vote for Obama. Beyond that, it's his interpretation.
Says who? you? my interpretation is based on actual dialogue with minority individuals.
***In his own words, "the ONLY reason Obama is in a second term is because of the black and hispanic vote," as if that somehow makes his election less valid or representative of Americans. Guess what, the majority of Americans voted for Obama. Most of the country wanted him as president.
Again I am basing that on what I've seen and heard from those minorities themselves.
***As I pointed out, the majority of people who considered healthcare the most important issue in the election voted for him, so the minority vote isn't the only reason he won. He also got the majority of women voting for him. Women are not a minority in this country, so again, the minority vote wasn't the only reason.
So? people were looking for a different kind of healthcare because of the outrageous price set on medical services
and even prescriptions. That's pretty much a no brainer. Charisma is what got the female vote. He had more personable
charm to the women than Romney did.
***As for Winston's hypothesis that the reason minorities voted for Obama was because he's black, that has been frequently disproven in this thread. Obama's totals were in line with that of all Democratic presidential candidates. Can you understand how ridiculous it is to say that people who normally vote for Democratic candidates only voted for this Democratic candidate for his race?
How has it been frequently disporoen in this thread? You haven't given anything that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he wasn't. LOL All you've put up are scenarios and numbers on how many voted for him..not about WHY.
***The only evidence Winston offered in support of his claim was another, unsubstantiated claim that some minorities (how many? He didn't say) told him so. Conveniently, none of those people are here. Did they tell him what he claims? Did he misunderstand? Is he lying? We have no way of knowing. We do know that however many people he talked to, those people can only speak for themselves, not the millions of people in those ethnic groups.
Oh so it's convenient for me that all those minority people I spoke to aren't here? I doubt they would waste their time with the likes of you here and anywhere else for that matter. After all, you've said several times they are ignorant liars too.
***As I said before, I can say with full confidence that he's wrong about one member of a minority group. I voted for Obama based on the issues. I don't make any claims to speak for all Jews, just myself, yet for some reason, Winston thinks he can use his claims about what a third party told him as evidence that millions of people voted for the reasons he claims.
Good for you. Now how can you prove all the others did that same thing? It really doesn't matter the number of people
I've talked to .. I can tell it's at least 25 or more if that makes you happy.. it's what they said and what they themselves believe was the reason Obama got elected. But again you call them liars too so what's the point in even going on with
this? It's obvious you refuse to believe it. That's on you.
***It's telling that you've seen all of this before, yet you're ignoring it all to defend the indefensible.
It's not indefensible. I have actual people who will testify that they and many others voted for Obama based on race.
How much plainer can that be for you? The fact that you've closed your mind to the suggestion, doesn't make you right.
Followup Messages:
- Re: In case anyone missed Winston's racism - **BlackMonk** - Oct 6, 2013 at 7:47:36 PM
- Re: In case anyone missed Winston's racism - **bon bon** - Oct 6, 2013 at 9:19:50 PM
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