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Re: Common sense prevails (this time)
Posted by **murray** on Sep 2, 2013 at 9:58:08 AM:
In Reply to: Re: Common sense prevails (this time) posted by **BlackMonk** on Sep 2, 2013 at 9:42:23 AM:
*********Obama was actually ready to order missile attacks without Congressional approval (and he still believes he can do it without approval of anyone). Thank God Denis McDonough took Obama for a walk outside and brought him back to reality that he needs to seek Congressional approval before he arbitrarily pushes a button that could lead us into yet another war.
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*********It seems at least the head of Obama's security adviser team has some common sense left. Of course the rest of his security team
*********raised hell when they learned Obama had changed his mind, but they (and Obama) needed to be reminded that they are not a military junta. This is still a democracy and they do have to follow Constitutional guidelines. Again, one wonders how Obama
*********every got a Nobel Peace Prize for one who was so anxious to pull the trigger.
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*********Well done Mr. McDonough for making Obama and his team of minions realize what they are really doing.
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********Why is it that when he does something you can agree with, it's because of his adviser or someone else. But, when he does something you don't agree with, it's 100% his decision and he bears the full responsibility???
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********Look at your own link: "Obama's National Security Council had believed since last weekend that requiring a vote was not even on the table and that “consultation” in the form of congressional briefings and behind-the-scenes conversation was all that would be needed before a strike."
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********Read "Obama's National Security Council"....NOT Obama.
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********He is president and it is ultimately a decision he has to make. Why don't you give some actual credit to Obama for the decision? A decision that goes against the recommendation of national security advisers.
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********Does it pain you that much to actually say, 'I agree with Obama here'?
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*******He'll never give Obama credit for anything.
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******Do you have anything of substance to add to the topic at hand or are you just content to sit there and mouth off...
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*****You're lucky I'm not "mouthing off" on what kind of an idiot you are. You're one of those people who thinks he's so smart but really isn't. Ever known one of those? Look in the mirror. It's really pretty pathetic.
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**** Hey, at least he's smart enough to know that being anti-Obamacare is not the same thing as being anti-health care reform...
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***When someone is anti-Obamacare and never said one word about reforming the healthcare system previously, it's reasonable to think that their primary focus is in being against Obamacase and that they have no problems with the status quo.
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***Someone who likes the status quo is anti-reform by definition.
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***But if you say you're in favor of healthcare reform, what do you what to reform and do you have a workable solution for doing so?
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** I don't know that what you're saying holds up. Two other people besides me have spoken out on their opposition to Obamacare. If memory serves, they have both remarked that some reforms are needed...
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*But did they say it before they started complaining about Obamacare?
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**That is sufficient for me to believe that they are not content with the status quo... I get a clear "Obamacare is not the way" message rather than "There is no need for any health care reform measures whatsoever."
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**Imo. people like Bon-Bon are stuck in the "Obamacare is the only way" mud and want to lure people into some ridiculous board game which is ultimately pointless...
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*Yeah, I don't get that from Bon-Bon at all. No one is suggesting an alternative. They're just saying "Obamacare is bad" and that we should do nothing rather than what we are doing. That isn't promoting reform, that's saying we should stick with the status quo.
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*Which alternatives have been suggested here?
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**They want to coax Obamcare opponents which they can use as a weapon to paint those who have different views as stupid or heartless...
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**It's nothing more than a game really..
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*I think you've hit on the reason why people weren't eager to answer your question about criticizing Obama.
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** If people want to paint my desire to get a greeter understanding of why Obama deserves such a un wavering degree of loyalty as being nothing more than a game, so be it... I made a promise in order to show people that I was interested in getting a clearer picture of their reasoning.,,, They used their suspicions as an excuser to avoid answering my questions. They have the right to refuse.,,, No question about that. But after doing so, please don't have the audacity to expect me to be Mr. Answer Man for you (collective you, not BM personally) because it just ain't happening.
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So we have the inevitable standoff I mentioned a number of times.
Just another day at the Bagism Corral..
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*****If you have something of substance to add then add it; otherwise, STFU.
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