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Re: Let Me Help Ya Out, Obama Voters
Posted by **bon bon** on Aug 16, 2013 at 8:36:55 PM:
In Reply to: Re: Let Me Help Ya Out, Obama Voters posted by **Spiggy Topes** on Aug 16, 2013 at 12:35:25 PM:
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************ I'll provide some possible explanations and you can decide which ones fall closest to how you feel... Maybe it'll be Partly A and Partly D and so on. .Who knows but here goes:
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************A.) Obama has done nothing I disagree with.
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************B.)I disagree with some things he's done but I believe the good he's done far outweighs the bad and therefore the bad isn't worth mentioning...
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************C.) He's disappointed me sometimes but I can't give his detractors the satisfaction of admitting that...
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************D.) I consider myself a proud Democrat and that requires me to support Obama whether I believe he is wrong or right...
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************E.) I only care about how his policies impact me personally and others in situations similar to mine...... If it doesn't have a profound impact on me or those like me, I couldn't give a damn...
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************If none of these come close to explaining why you cannot verbalize disagreement with Obama, please feel free to provide your own explanation...Thank you and drive stately...
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***********I've thought of another possibility "If I disagree with Obama I'd be a racist"
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**********Yes, I thought later that I should have added at least one more possibility...Something concerning the profound historical significance of his being the first black president and how that monumental step forward must not be tarnished by any hint of scandal or corruption... Too big to fail...
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**********Wouldn't rule that out...
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*********I've lost count of the number of times I've been called racist, esp by some here, for criticising Obama......it defies logic.
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*********Maybe you should re-frame the question, something along the lines of - What good has Obama actually done? - imo, a big fat dollop of nowt......
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********It doesn't matter how I frame it...They've built their own frames and that's that...
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********It's been something to see though...Quite interesting...
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*******It defies logic, the whole thing......
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*******on a side note, I think all of your options above could be a result or combination of two categorical states, cowardice or complicity.......the option I proffered,..... the result of dumbassness.
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******no, it defies your illogic...'cowardice or complicity' or rather it's a different point of view....which you obviously disagree with.
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*****A different point of view you say.......hell that was the whole point of murray's post.....to find out what those points are.
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*****How anyone can be aware of the facts of what is happening in the States and give it a pass is beyond me.
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*****And I'll re-iterate.....to allow this to slide and not speak up against it can only be explained imo by cowardice, being complicit or being a complete dumbass.....
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*****I can see no other factors in play at all....can you?
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*****Spiggy
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****Oh really? so you feel that way about anyone here who, when challenged to defend their p.o.v., refuses to do so? Are they cowards and dumbasses? Does hippie know you feel this way about her?
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***You're not the sharpest chisel in the set are you bon bon....go and re-read what was written. backbeat brought up differing pov, trouble is no one here will give it. The people here refusing to give their pov are you and your Obama loving ilk......murray was only trying to find out why......why do you give it all a pass??.....when if it were say for instance GWB doing these things you'd be apoplectic I imagine.....(actually Obama is just a continuation of GWB imo, can you not see it?)
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***hj and a slew of others here are far from being a dumbass, far from being a coward and certainly not complicit in what is happening in the States and indeed globally......hj speaks up about it......you're happy to go along with it, because, well I don't know why because you wont give your opinion/ rational........from where I'm standing the only reasons I can think of for this is:
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***a) you're a coward and frightened to speak up against Obama
***b) you're complicit and somehow gain from what is going on
***c) you're a complete dumbass and can't put two and two together to see what's in front of your nose
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***I think I've explained my position plenty of times and the way I see things, if you can't grasp it then I feel for you.
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***Can you explain why you give Obama a pass - is it because he's black??
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**I say what I what, when I want, to whom I want. My "ilk" and I don't owe you or anyone an explanation of jack shit.
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**Understand? It seems you're not so sharp yourself or you'd have gathered that by now.
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*I'll remind you of that stance next time you or your ilk come out with garbage like this:
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****Oh really? so you feel that way about anyone here who, when challenged to defend their p.o.v., refuses to do so? Are they cowards and dumbasses? Does hippie know you feel this way about her?
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*just remember that bon bon......
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*if you don't owe anyone anything, then neither does anyone owe you anything.
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*I'll say it again, you are nothing, you have nothing, and I owe YOU nothing......and no one else owes you anything either...it's a two way street..........
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1) don't tell me what to remember
2) I have more than you could ever dream of
3) no matter how nasty you get, it won't have the desired effect, so save it for someone else
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