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Re: Let Me Help Ya Out, Obama Voters
Posted by **backbeat** on Aug 15, 2013 at 2:54:23 PM:
In Reply to: Re: Let Me Help Ya Out, Obama Voters posted by **murray** on Aug 14, 2013 at 8:51:16 PM:
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********** I'll provide some possible explanations and you can decide which ones fall closest to how you feel... Maybe it'll be Partly A and Partly D and so on. .Who knows but here goes:
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**********A.) Obama has done nothing I disagree with.
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**********B.)I disagree with some things he's done but I believe the good he's done far outweighs the bad and therefore the bad isn't worth mentioning...
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**********C.) He's disappointed me sometimes but I can't give his detractors the satisfaction of admitting that...
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**********D.) I consider myself a proud Democrat and that requires me to support Obama whether I believe he is wrong or right...
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**********E.) I only care about how his policies impact me personally and others in situations similar to mine...... If it doesn't have a profound impact on me or those like me, I couldn't give a damn...
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**********If none of these come close to explaining why you cannot verbalize disagreement with Obama, please feel free to provide your own explanation...Thank you and drive stately...
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*********I've thought of another possibility "If I disagree with Obama I'd be a racist"
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********Yes, I thought later that I should have added at least one more possibility...Something concerning the profound historical significance of his being the first black president and how that monumental step forward must not be tarnished by any hint of scandal or corruption... Too big to fail...
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********Wouldn't rule that out...
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*******I've lost count of the number of times I've been called racist, esp by some here, for criticising Obama......it defies logic.
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*******Maybe you should re-frame the question, something along the lines of - What good has Obama actually done? - imo, a big fat dollop of nowt......
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*******Spiggy
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******It doesn't matter how I frame it...They've built their own frames and that's that...
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******It's been something to see though...Quite interesting...
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*****It defies logic, the whole thing......
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*****on a side note, I think all of your options above could be a result or combination of two categorical states, cowardice or complicity.......the option I proffered,..... the result of dumbassness.
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****no, it defies your illogic...'cowardice or complicity' or rather it's a different point of view....which you obviously disagree with.
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*** The people in question don't even have the ability to DESCRIBE what they see when it comes to seeing themselves or their omnipotent leader.... Or they place more importance on some guy on a message board than their own consciences...
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***Oh that's right...The overall objective is all that matters.. Even if it's drowning in corruption, broken promises, dereliction of duty, and so on...
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***Nothing to see there...Move along... No skin off your Canadian nose..
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**see, even here your misusing my words to deflect and divert - i never said that - i answered/explained when you asked above in the other post - i never said, no matter what, the over-all objective over rides and you know it. this is what happens, these questions you ask are looking for responses that you can trip up people for - not information or trying to employ a better future...and yes you're right, and i said it, i don't really care intimately about american internal issues - i pay a passing notice but ultimately it's up to you, not me - just as you pay zero interest and notice to canadian internal issues.
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* I'll give you credit. You have been very upfront on the fact that it doesn't command your attention to the degree Canadian matters do..,, But don't expect me to believe you're oblivious to all of it..
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*Since you mentioned the overall objective, any chance you could describe what you consider the overall objective to be and why it's worth any price to ensure that it's met?
i'm not oblivious to all of it - i take a cursory interest in some of the topics but certainly not in any detail - again if they have a global or cross-boarder effect i will read up on them in more detail and have an opinion/position.
i have an opinion on public/universal health care but it relates to where i live and how it is managed and administered - i don't really care, directly, whether you guys go there or not - to that end i made one comment the other day to a PYCB post but really it was from a general perspective rather than detailed regarding the implementation of the program in the U.S. - but my comment was really to do with any implementation and the side noise they produce and how that noise is used.
i don't know what Obama's over-all objective is - if i relate that to a party or position i support here it would be the key mandate or mission statement, the over riding philosophy towards a way of life/ treatment of people/nation - how close are they to what i believe in ethically etc., that sort of thing. there may be ways of implementing or timelines etc. that i disagree with or aspects of policy that i object to but i am on-side with the basic direction. now if too many small things line up contrary to what i believe or some major issues, that can change things.Followup Messages:
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