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Re: Obama was Trayvon 35 years ago?
Posted by **BlackMonk** on Jul 20, 2013 at 5:34:27 PM:
In Reply to: Re: Obama was Trayvon 35 years ago? posted by **travis** on Jul 20, 2013 at 5:15:35 PM:
*******President Obama on Friday broached the shooting of 17-year-old African-American Trayvon Martin and the subsequent trial of his shooter, providing his explanation of why the case created so much anxiety within the African-American community.
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*******"When Trayvon Martin was first shot, I said this could've been my son. Another way of saying that is, Trayvon Martin could've been me 35 years ago," Mr. Obama said from the White House briefing room.
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*******"When you think about why in the African-American community, at least, there's a lot of pain around what happened here, it's important to recognize the African-American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and history that doesn't go away."
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*******Still trying to keep the tension alive
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*******What is it that Obama wants? does he want to keep bringing up the subject of Trayvon Martin and putting his own personal stamp
*******on it by attaching himself to Trayvon in order to keep people riled up about it? and at the same time calling for calm?
*******or is this all just an effort to keep things off of him and the controversy's in DC now..
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*******What's it going to be?
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*******The Department of Justice (Eric Holder specifically) is now looking for ways to bring Zimmerman back to trial for civil rights violations or anything else they can possibly get him on and have asked Florida not to release his gun back to him or destroy any evidence from the trial. Why?
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*******Because those who didn't like the verdict still want their revenge regardless that Zimmerman has already been acquitted of all charges. After all..he killed a black person!
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*******There is an acknowledged double standard in this country wrt to black vs other races when it comes to victim vs killer. If the victim had been white, Hispanic, Latino, or anything other than black, we wouldn't have all this going on. It's a fact.
*******And even Obama seems to acknowledge that fact at the end of his statements in the video above. At least he got that right..
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*******Or does all of this serve to keep the attention off Obama and the shenanigans being pulled in DC right now?
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*******For a couple of examples..
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*******Let's not talk about Benghazi or the fact that it has been learned that Obama and party have already made sure everyone involved with Benghazi sign Non Disclosure Statements to protect his/their hides.
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*******Or that Obama now doesn't want to talk to Putin anymore and there's now even talk of boycotting the next Moscow Olympics because Putin is apparently giving asylum to Snowden because Obama didn't have the gonads to stand up to the challenge and find a way to get Snowden back here to face justice (as Obama promised earlier).
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*******Putin 1, Snowden 1, Obama 0.
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*******There is laughter coming from the Kremlin...
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*******Obama failed the test and Putin is laughing at the weak President. Sadly, Obama has failed our test too.
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******I can't believe this moron would double down on his Trayvon Martin, race baiting. It's almost beyond comprehension. Our esteemed POTUS just stated Trayvon could have been him 35 years ago. Keep those racial flames burning Obama. He threw in for good measure:
******“There are very few African-American men in this country who haven’t had the experience of being followed when they were shopping in a department store -- that includes me,” he said.
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******“There are very few African-American men who haven’t had the experience of walking across the street and hearing the locks click on the doors of cars. That happens to me – at least before I was a senator,” he said. “There are very few African-Americans who haven’t had the experience of getting on an elevator and a woman clutching her purse nervously and holding her breath until she had a chance to get off. That happens often.”
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******So, Trayvon could have first been his son, now him. I guess the thousands of African American ( what the hell is that already- we've all come from somewhere else) kids who kill each other daily don't merit the same attention from the fraud.
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******He also threw in :“both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different” if Trayvon Martin had been white.
******Maybe he should check the case of Roderick Scott. A 42 year old black man who killed an unarmed 17 year old white kid right here in NY and was acquitted.
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******This man has no shame. He's no less a race baiter than Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton-- EXCEPT half this country lives and dies by what he says. What a disgrace.
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*****It will be pointed out that the case you cite that the white teenagers were confronted because they were actually committing a crime whereas Trayvon Martin wasn't. IMHO the 42 year old black guy was right to defend himself. A couple of years ago, in England, a middle-aged white man was kicked to death by white youths when confronting them committing a crime against his property. So, there you go, that's how harmless "unarmed teenagers" can be.
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****Yes, it will pointed out. It will also be accurate. You don't address that fact. Nor the fact that in the second example you gave, the man was "confronting them committing a crime against his property" whereas Martin was not committing any crime, much less one against ZImmerman. Nor do you address the fact that "youths" and "a youth" are not the same thing. Nor the fact that it wasn't definitely established that Martin was the aggressor, nor what actually happened in the conflict between the two.
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****Funny, I keep hearing about how liberals are "soft on crime" and ignore the victim in favor of the accused.
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***Yes, you're right, Zimmerman should have let Martin continue to slam his head against the pavement (as eyewitness and forensic evidence established).
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**Well, that's a lie, but again, how would that establish who started the fight? The unarmed person or the person carrying the gun who was following the unarmed person despite being told not to?
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**Look, I get why you want to paint Martin as the criminal, not the victim. It's not necessarily because of racism, just that you want to stand up for "gun rights," but you realize that "gun rights" are the reason why Trayvon Martin is dead, despite the fact that he wasn't doing anything criminal when Zimmerman decided to play cop, and if you don't find a way to pretend Martin was a criminal, you'll feel like a terrible person for ignoring that.
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*What I'm saying is that Martin may not have been doing anything criminal when Zimmerman "profiled" him but he was certainly doing something criminal when he was shot.
If shooting Martin wasn't criminal, then fighting Zimmerman wasn't necessarily criminal either.
* He was not a little kid, he was nearly 6 foot tall
He was also somewhat on the scrawny side. Please don't give me the "he was a football player" crap, since that was four years before he was killed. If pictures from when he was 13 are misleading, that claim should be as well.
* and the evidence strongly suggests he was beating Zimmerman to the point where that man must have feared for his life.
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A selective reading of the evidence does. Since half of the jury originally wanted to convict him-two on manslaughter, one on second degree murder-it seems that the entirety of evidence wasn't quite as compelling as you claim.
*The last time I had to confront youths they were not actually doing anything criminal, but they were hanging around the forecourt of the petrol (gas) station where I worked. To my amazement they meekly walked off without even a hint of the abusive comments I was expecting. I was outnumbered, they could have beaten me to death if they'd wanted. But they didn't, because they were basically good kids at heart.
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Good for you. If you had threatened them with a gun, you would have instigated any conflict that followed and would have deserved to receive a beating.
Oh, now I see what you were doing there. You're trying to prove that Martin wasn't a "good kid," and therefore deserved what happened to him.
I repeat my previous point: "Look, I get why you want to paint Martin as the criminal, not the victim. It's not necessarily because of racism, just that you want to stand up for "gun rights," but you realize that "gun rights" are the reason why Trayvon Martin is dead, despite the fact that he wasn't doing anything criminal when Zimmerman decided to play cop, and if you don't find a way to pretend Martin was a criminal, you'll feel like a terrible person for ignoring that."
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