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Re: NOT GUILTY
Posted by **No Flies On Frank** on Jul 15, 2013 at 3:01:27 PM:
In Reply to: Re: NOT GUILTY posted by **Old Flat Top** on Jul 14, 2013 at 9:36:05 PM:
******Jurors: Zimmerman not guilty of 2nd-degree murder
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*****So ends the railroad job they tried to pull on him..let's just see if the riots happen.
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****I don't think that citizens like George Zimmerman or anyone else should be able to confront people with lethal force and play cop. There is no justification that I can think of that allows private citizens to confront people if they aren't in imminent danger. What's to stop anyone from confronting anyone else and using lethal force if this is allowed? Tonight's ruling simply allows vigilantes to act more easily. It's not the mark of civilized society to let people take the law into their own hands. Florida has a problem with its juries, its laws or both. I don't see how this can't be a bizarre and dumb decision. I don't know how often this happened in the past but some places in our country still have very strange customs and laws.
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***'Confront' is the key word...The jurors have said they're not convinced it was Zimmerman who was the one confronting.. It's 'Ifs' versus the actual laws ... Some want to stop with "If Zimmerman hadn't done this, etc."... It doesn't appear that he broke any laws by keeping an eye on Martin, whether one considers it a good or bad idea... We wind up back at the question of whether Zimmerman believed his life was in danger at the time he fired the gun... Even if one disagrees with how Zimmerman chose to handle the situation prior to that...
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**Based on everything I know about this case...including reading the transcript of the 911 call...I find it almost impossible to believe that Zimmerman did not make a choice to pursue him. He chose to go after him. Whether you consider this to "be keeping an eye on him" or some other term, it was still an action he chose. He simply acted as a vigilante. Maybe that's legal in Florida. I don't think it should be and am pretty sure it's not legal in most places in the Western world. He should bear some responsibility for his actions. I wouldn't send him to jail for life but I would consider him guilty of a crime like manslaughter that indicates he acted recklessly. That's all I can say.
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*I have to disagree. A neighborhood watch is not a vigilante force. Protecting homes and families should be everyones moral responsibility. I for one am not going to be persuaded that people shouldn't do that. The politics of it is if Zimmerman had been convicted of any of the charges there would've been a huge outcry to disarm the public since it is just too unsafe and we need to trust police blah blah blah...and you know that is true and the dirt of it is that Zimmerman got used, got his life put in peril as a pawn in the game. Zimmerman is the victim according to the facts in evidence and the verdict. Where's the justice for George? All this "he was black" is saying it's a sad day when the race card doesn't trump the law. WTF?
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*From the dictionary the word "stalk" means
*to pursue or approach prey, quarry, etc., stealthily.
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*Zimmerman was right out in the open. Following or watching are correct here but stalk is not. There was a shitload of disinfo put out to politicize this into a disarm the public event and I'm not buying it.
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I think a lot of what you are saying is valid but this also is where the disagreement is coming from. I think some people think Zimmerman took an unnecessary risk when he followed Martin and others think he was within his rights to keep following him. I kind of think that with the privilege of carrying a gun should come the extra responsibility of making sure you don't pursue situations where you would be more likely to have to fire it at someone. The law in Florida doesn't seem to be written this way though.
You're right that it's too bad that race muddied up the case...because it's a complicated enough case as it is without it turning into black vs. white (or Hispanic too.) I also think there is a good chance that Zimmerman didn't throw the first punch and may have been acting in self-defense at the end. Yet that doesn't completely absolve him in my opinion. I think he put himself in a dangerous situation without a good backup plan other than to shoot his way out if it came to that. I don't think Zimmerman should necessarily have his life ruined though. Maybe he doesn't even need to be found guilty of a felony. There should be some penalty though...because I think the risk of what Zimmerman did probably would exceed the benefit to society in most cases and it's probably something that shouldn't be encouraged. Yet it's not clear cut depending on one's point of view, I admit.
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- Re: NOT GUILTY - **Hippie J** - Jul 17, 2013 at 8:05:58 PM
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