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Re: Violence over George Zimmerman
Posted by **The Duke** on Jul 14, 2013 at 11:54:06 PM:
In Reply to: Re: Violence over George Zimmerman posted by **Old Flat Top** on Jul 14, 2013 at 11:29:12 PM:
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*******Either the jury believed Zimmerman's actions were justifiable or they were not fully convinced that the prosecution proved that his actions were unjustifiable in a court of law... That they failed to take it beyond a reasonable doubt...
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******he was found innocent by a jury of his peers - case over - move on
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***** Well, let's be precise now. He was not found innocent. He was found not guilty.
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****Totally disagree. That's actually a good deal less precise.
****He has been found innocent of all the charges brought against him. To say he is not guilty but not innocent says he "got away with it". That is a huge problem when people think they can make any charge stick so long as it suits them and if not just take it into their own hands to suit their own imagination of what actually happened rather than relying on the FACTS of the case.
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*** I understand where you're coming from, but you're neglecting the fact that "Not Guilty " may imply that the state has failed to prove its case, as in the Casey Anthony trial, rather than proclaimong Zimmerman wholly innocent of any wrongdoing in the affair.
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**That's what "not guilty" means - that the state failed to prove its case. It does not mean "innocent."
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**You can argue about it all you want but the law is the law and that is how the jurors are instructed. The outcome does not mean every single juror on that panel thinks Zimmerman is innocent. Perhaps none of them does. They had to rule based on the evidence and their instructions.
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*Except that you are wrong and that is NOT how the jurors were instructed.
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*Taken from the actual instructions to the jurors(public record)
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*PLEA OF NOT GUILTY; REASONABLE DOUBT; AND BURDEN OF PROOF
*George Zimmerman has entered a plea of not guilty. This means you must presume or believe George Zimmerman is innocent. The presumption stays with George Zimmerman as
*to each material allegation in the Information through each stage of the trial unless it has been
*overcome by the evidence to the exclusion of and beyond a reasonable doubt.
*To overcome
*George Zimmerman’s
*presumption of
*innocence
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*the State has the
*burden of proving the crime with which
*George Zimmerman
*is charged was committed and
*George Zimmerman
*is the person who committed the crime.
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That's a well imformed, convincing argument, there, Flat.
I will go with : A Not Guilty verdict avers guilt hasn't been proven, and coupled with the idea of presumption of innocense, that the same verdict presumes innocense, while innocense has not actually been proven.
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