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Re: 12 year old explains Egyptian
Posted by **comic relief** on Jul 11, 2013 at 10:09:36 PM:
In Reply to: Re: 12 year old explains Egyptian posted by **Spiggy Topes** on Jul 11, 2013 at 2:25:07 PM:
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************===Now, that's a bright young man! :)
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***********Indeed....hasn't been corrupted by the West yet.
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**********says the person who lives in 'the West' and enjoys all its inherent freedoms...
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*********Inherent freedoms??......you have go to be kidding me.
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*********Yeah I love the West, that's why I whinge about it so much.
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********yes duh indeed, as you state the young Egyptian hasn't been corrupted by the evil West yet inferring that they have it all over us here in the suppressed West...and yet you choose to live in the West.....
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*******You're a right Bobby Dazzler you aren't you. I've inferred nowt that you can imagine.
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*******Hey maybe those Egyptians aren't drinking fluoridated water.........yet......They've got Coke and McDonalds tho'....so there is an ingress.
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*******You may think of Coke and McDonalds as something civilised , or being Canadian Tim Horton's perhaps??.....(btw I like Tim Horton's) - however I don't consider franchise food as any kind of measure of human progress or success tbh.....Our leaders do tho'
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*******Anyway, like I said, you're one or t'other.
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******sorry no Tim's fan here...- and it ain't so simple as one or t'other as you seem to suggest - still you certainly allude, no matter how you seem to portray otherwise, like the West are the corrupted ones compared to the Middle East enlightened brigade....
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*****Yes it is that simple.....your either a complete dumbass or complicit if you can't see or deny what's going on in the world, particularly the West today.
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*****How many 12 year olds you know who can articulate like this kid above.......not many I'll bet, that's because they've all been subject to Western morals, education, food, water, pharmaceuticals, tv, game culture, music, all designed to produce compliant slaves.
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*****So you're either one or the other....
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****Do you know if the subtitles are even accurate? How do you know that the kid said any of that?
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****Maybe he was actually saying, "I want a McDonald's. If we had a McDonald's on the corner, no one would be killing each other with rocks. Can I get a Happy Meal with a Coke?".
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****While that's complete sarcasm, the fact remains that you have no idea what the kid is actually saying and there's a good chance someone subtitled it as they saw fit. But you'll take it at face value and question nothing.
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***Have you followed this clip to you tube, comments are allowed, do you imagine if the transcription was incorrect it would be brought to the publics attention by someone who speaks the language. Anyway, if you bothered to watch and listen you can discern some of conversation.....for example when the boy talks about Islamic law as subtitled, you can hear the word Sharia....
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***So no, I can't take your point seriously.....
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****Do you think that food, water and education are bad things?
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***Of course not, they are necessary for growth, however when they are polluted they're not much use.
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**So, everything in the Western world is polluted and not much use in your view, is that correct? Tell me then, what part of the world is doing it right.
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**And just to make it clear, I'm not saying that everything we do in the west is completely right, but I think there's a little more right than wrong with regard to infrastructure and basic human needs.
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*Do you......how many are on food stamps in your country?
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47,661,353 at a cost of $44,469,960,236. While I don't like the fact that there are that many people dependent on the state for food and I don't approve of it(that's a whole different discussion), that at least means that there are nearly 48 million people here that aren't starving to death.
Do you know how many people in the world are malnourished? And before you say it, I know that there are millions here in the states that fall into that category as well, but at least there is a system in place to help them.
You didn't bother answering my question, if everything in your eyes is polluted in the west, what part of the world is doing it right?
*And isn't it true that the infrastructure in your country is crumbling too. And don't you find it odd that American tax payers are paying to rebuild the infrastructure in say somewhere like Iraq, that they destroyed through an illegal war.??.....Have you seen the images of babies born with birth defects thanks to the good old USA and it's depleted Uranium. Have you seen the images of returning VETS sleeping in doorways in the good ol' US after returning from these illegal wars .
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*Are you aware too, that in conjunction with Israel the good ol US created the Stuxnet virus, which was designed to bring down nuclear power plants......Do you know that Fukushima was infected with Stuxnet, and was probably by all accounts the reason why those reactors didn;'t shut down.....are you aware that the whole of the Northern hemisphere is now contaminated with the radioactive crap from there?......are you sure you haven't imbibed any of it.....certain untimely death for sure.......thank you USA and Israel
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*What about the Gulf of Mexico....are you aware that corexit a substance banned in Europe was used to sink all that oil, and is still there, ready to be churned up, never mind the effect on the eco systems and the Gulf Stream itself......thank you USA
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That's a lovely little 'FUCK THE USA' rant, do you feel better?
Now if I were actually the typical American you've already labeled me as, I would go on the defensive here. However, I'm not the typical American and I know all too well that there are MANY MANY MANY things that are wrong with our country and our system. That still doesn't change the fact that there are some things that are right that help balance out all the wrong.
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****Have you ever been to a place where food, water and education are a luxury?
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***Yes I have.
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**And? Would you prefer that to what you have available in Old Blighty? There's likely no fluoride in that brown water pulled straight off the river.
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*There is no fluoride in my drinking water either.....water from the tap......maybe that's why we see things differently???????????????.ever thought of that????????....doesn't mean I don't pay a lot of money for something that basically is a necessity for life......
I have no idea what part of England you live in, but a quick search provided this story stating the the high court allowed fluoridation in Southampton. Why are you so certain that your tap water is free of fluoride?
If you didn't pay for your water, how exactly would you get the water you need? If you don't want to pay someone else to deliver it to your home, then you'd better get yourself a jug and walk down to the nearest river every day. I don't really know why your whinging about the fact that you have to pay for a service that's not even available to millions of people around the globe. It doesn't matter if it's necessary for life, it's still a service someone else provides for you.
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****I recently spent just a week Malakal, South Sudan, and that was an incredible, eye-opening experience. Girls there are married off at 13 and don't even have a chance at an education...do you think that's a better system than what we have here in the West? A female child is looked at as a commodity, not a person...would you prefer that?
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***And yet both our countries are arming and propping up these Islamic extremists.....huh
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**Well, you seem to have an issue with the entire education system of all Western countries, so to quote the Spigster, "Either or"...if you don't approve of the education available in the West, then you must approve of the complete lack of education opportunities in other parts of the world.
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*did I say that??......how much do you know about Skinnerian Operant Conditioning.....when was the last time you where in a classroom and studied curriculum and the reasoning behind it????
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Yes, you said that you wouldn't be able to find another kid as articulate as the one in the video, "because they've all been subject to Western morals, education, food, water, pharmaceuticals, tv, game culture, music, all designed to produce compliant slaves."
And right now you're reaffirming your stance that everything in the west is polluted. So, either or....if you don't approve of the western system of education, you approve of no education. I'm simply applying your logic here.
I haven't ever been in a classroom to study curriculum because I've never studied to be an educator. However, I did take a few psych classes and have read about Skinner.
Since you feel the western system is so polluted, I'll ask you again who is doing it right? What system, in your view, isn't polluted? Is the entire world fucked in your eyes?
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****Their only option for water is filling up jugs of water from the White Nile. Is there something wrong with being able to open up your tap and pour yourself a glass of clean water (don't bother with your fluoridation spiel)?
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***why???....have you ever done any research into the effects of fluoridation??..is it just something you'd rather not be bothered with?
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**There's just really no point in arguing it. You believe it to be a fact, therefore it's a fact.
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*Maybe you should look into it.....there really is nothing to argue about....
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**But back to my point, why do you consider easily accessible drinking water in the west to be a negative?
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*I didn't say that.....I said when it's polluted it's no use....and polluted it is......how many men in your immediate sphere have man boobs????......are you aware that an over abundance of oestrogen in the drinking water thanks to unfiltered nature is having a feminising effect on not just man, but the environment on the whole........
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I'm not going to argue conspiracy theories...again there is no point.
I can't prove it to be wrong, you can't conclusively prove it to be right.
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****Is there something wrong with taking a shit in a toilet and flushing it out through the public sewer system? Would you prefer that people simply take a shit in the street or the river upstream from others filling water jugs?
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***You know, our water delivery and waste systems here in the UK are Victorian.....and they are beginning to crumble..yes, new builds will have the latest plastic push fit tools, (that's another method of dumbing down the population, not much skill needed for those plumbers)....however most of the water delivered to our taps are delivered in lead pipes...more poison for the masses....and yet water companies make vast profits......I pay over £45 per month for my water, because I refuse to have a wireless meter installed.....which is yet another means of data collection and control.....also, it's putting real live people out of work.....that's nearly £600 per annum ...so I expect a service concomitant to that.
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**The service you should expect is that if you pay for water, you receive water. Why should they have to dispatch a meter reader just because you're too stubborn to accept some modern technology?
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*As I've already pointed out, it's not just a stubborn stance.....there are other reasons.....control, surveillance, loss of man power....and the effects on the environment of all this wifi.....some suggest it's why so much in nature is losing its ability to navigate along magnetic pathways.....if we lose bees, we've had it......
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They already control your water. They already need to surveil your usage. Loss of manpower, yeah, that's something that's going to happen with automation and technology.
As far as nature, I'll agree with you in that I think that man is fucking with nature in far too many ways. I don't know what the effects of wireless signals flooding the skies are, but it can't be good. It doesn't change the fact that that's where we're at. Your refusal of a modern meter doesn't eliminate the millions of other meters already transmitting. I'd be willing to bet that you're using a wireless signal on your computer as you're reading this...
Resistance is futile. ;)
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**And you really think that using a newer type of pipe fitting is dumbing down? Is there really that much additional skill required for turning a wrench rather than using a push fit fixture???
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*are you for real??.....ask any indentured apprentice about that.....do you understand the co-efficient of copper, does somebody trained with plastic need to know the expansion gap needed on a 20ft length of 12mm pipe under 1 bar of pressure running at 70C????........it takes brains to work all that kind of thing out....as for just turning a wrench......you haven't got a fucking clue have you......
I'm not a plumber, but I can't imagine that a change of a connector eliminates any of the other needed knowledge. The pressure of the system doesn't change simply because a different connector is being utilized. In the states, in order to become a journeyman plumber you have to work as an apprentice for 5 years or 8,000 hours. I'm sure during those 8,000 hours they learn every single thing needed. A new type of connector does not dumb down that plumber or change the fact that they need the years and hours to qualify as a journeyman and even more years and hours to be a master.
Are you for real??? You are so paranoid that you believe that even a different type of plumbing fixture signifies a total dumbing down of the planet?
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*As a matter of fact.......I've said enough, you're just here for a fight....I've made plenty of valid points. You're a typical American far as I'm concerned.....head in the sand, arse in the air, ready to be violated by your govt.......but you see nothing wrong......so peace off yourself......I will not return to your childish inanity......
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*bye-de-bye.....loser....... ;)
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Hmmm, I'm just here for the fight, but yet it's you that's insulting not only me, but my entire country and every other country in the west? Really? And please point to just one thing in anything I've written here that's childish inanity.
I'm sorry if you can't handle someone that doesn't simply reply to your shit with 'GREAT POST!'.
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****And you think music is bad as well? Curious, what the fuck are doing on a John Lennon site if you think that western music is such an evil?
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***lol........so you think all Western music is good???.....you think that record companies aren't behind manipulating and manufacturing any of it???
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**Did I say that? You are the one casting a sweeping generalization that no kid in the west could ever speak about social and political issues due to being "subject to Western morals, education, food, water, pharmaceuticals, tv, game culture, music".
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**So, again, if you think that Western music is simply a tool to dumb down the populace, what in the fuck are you doing on a John Lennon website?
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***Either or......either or......
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**How about considering some grey for once, instead of the black or white box you are stuck in. Haven't you made the point that dividing the people is a weapon of THEM? Do you not see that you do that every single time you make a post and close out with that sort of shit. It doesn't have to be either or, there can be a melding of differing sides. Just because someone doesn't follow your views lock step, doesn't mean that they are complicit or stupid.
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