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Re: Morsi Is Ousted

Posted by **backbeat** on Jul 5, 2013 at 1:20:26 PM:
In Reply to: Re: Morsi Is Ousted posted by **murray** on Jul 5, 2013 at 1:15:06 PM:

************* The Egyptian military has announced that Morsi has been ousted and will be replaced...
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*************They have also announced a suspension of the Islamist-drenched Constitution...
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*************Now look for Obama to find his vocal cords...
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************Of course, Now he'll open his mouth in defense of the Muslim Brotherhood members..If he comes to the aid of Morsi, we can take
************that as a revealing action as to where Obama's head is really at.
************It's obvious the people and the military of Egypt did not want an Islamist in charge of things.
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************Time to mind our own business for a change.
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***********the problem with what you are saying is that the people did elect Morsi and it is the military who are ousting him. You may not like the party and that it's Islamic based but as you state to others here who comment on US internal politics it is your choice not outsiders.
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***********Morsi certainly has done some things that a large group of people don't like which is obvious by the demonstrations but he was elected by the people.
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***********i guess where they are is in between Mubarak and where they want to be - I can't see the military keeping rule for an extended period, they will have to move to elections as soon as possible or the country will implode. There will be another very large group that will go to the streets while the military controls the state as that is what they demonstrated against before.
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***********this is a volatile position to be in, "Mr Morsi, Egypt's first freely elected leader, is under house arrest after what he says was a military coup."
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**********The military have already appointed a constitutional judge as interim leader and stated there will be future elections.
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**********The people didn't want Morsi and recent reports from the whole of the African continent show that these people are not in favour of Obama or any of the installed puppets either.....Obama has stated he will cut aid funding to Egypt....
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**********As for not getting involved, can't see that happening, well by cutting funding he is getting involved, however we have to consider Israel , the Wests master, borders Egypt,.......they'll be baying for the blood our young men and woman to go fight for Israeli 'safety' .......and you're an anti-Semite if you disagree.
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**********I hope this rejection of Western puppets spreads like wildfire in every country they are being imposed on.......
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*********so you agree with the military deposing of Egypt's first freely elected leader? There are many elected officials that the public opposes policy-wise and they are free to vote them out in the next election.
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*********What's so different here - it is what Egyptian's demonstrated against the military and Mubarak for - the right to have a democratically elected leader - and they got it and voted in by over 50% Morsi.
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*********but you're ok with the military removing Egypt's first freely elected leader and appointing a constitutional judge as interim leader with the non-specific statement that there will be future elections. - and what, if they ever do have elections again happens when a leader is freely elected and people demonstrate against her/him?
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*********is this the circle game, just call the military in?
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********case in point - I didn't vote for Harper and wish he wasn't our PM but he is and was freely elected. i respect that. i do not support the military overthrowing him - i support voting him out in the next election, if the rest of the population agree.
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*******You seem to be of the opinion that there is a choice....seems the Egyptian people are not labouring under that false illusion....they are not about to surrender to a Western backed and constructed puppet.
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*******It's my understanding that the military are with the people. Who knows??
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******What really caused the coup against the Egyptian President......
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******Another viewpoint for you to consider
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*****'the military are with the people'?? really? you are saying this? the military rule and Mubarak's dictatorship are what the people wanted out. and they wanted free democratic elections. they go them and voted in Morsi - not that you or i would agree and many egyptian's, never-the-less he was voted in by over 50% - FREELY
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*****the article you link to suggests the military might not agree with who the freely elected government was supporting as rationale for the coup.
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*****i really don't know how you can take this position - you leave yourself open to the military determining rule - if you're ok with that, then fine...
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**** Be very wary of making promises to Egyptians if you do not intend to keep them... Morsi was elected because he gave assurances... Failing to deliver is one thing.. But when he granted himself powers far beyond those given to him, the people knew they had been betrayed...They didn't just shrug their shoulders and say
****"Well, that's politicians for you" ... Complacency just won't cut it at such times...
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****As far as a coup is concerned, the Obama administration seem very reluctant to use that word...
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***I believe that Morsi is the only person referring to a 'coup' in all honesty.
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***The Egyptian people rejected radical Islam and Sharia Law. Why is it that the West is supporting and aiding all this - arming it, funding it, when we are supposed to be terrorised by and fighting wars against these radicals...in their lands.
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***I'm heartened by the fact that daily more and more can see it..I truly am...for those that can't, they're either complete dumbasses or part of it.....imo
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**many refer to it as a coup - and it is a coup - again whether you agree with Morsi or not HE WAS FREELY ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE BY OVER 50%
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**from the Guardian:
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**"Egypt coup: the military has not just ousted Morsi. It has ousted democracy. Future governments in Cairo will not now dare defy the army. A political-ideological clash could become a life-and-death one"
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**From The Independent:
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**Egypt unrest: Army blamed as pro-Morsi rally in Cairo comes under fire after coup
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**from forbes:
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**Coup D'Etat In Egypt: Military Removes President Morsi And Suspends The Constitution
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**from CNN:
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**Coup topples Egypt's Morsy; deposed president under 'house arrest'
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**From The Globe and Mail:
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**The ouster of Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi is generating significant debate about what Wednesday’s events should actually be called.
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**Specifically: Was it a coup d’état?
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**Many supporters of the ouster, including military leaders in Egypt, have denied it is a coup. Many Western diplomats have tiptoed around the issue.
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**“The definition of a coup is the overturning of a leadership, a legitimate leadership, by other powers, often military,” said Paul Sullivan, an expert in international relations at Georgetown University in Washington.
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**And was it a coup? On that, Prof. Sullivan and Prof. Schleifer agree: YES.
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**and it goes on and on - almost everyone is referring to it as a coup
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*People had another option besides than just saying "Well yeah, we were suckered big time but we'll just have to deal with whatever further power grabs this liar tosses at us."
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*Yep... They took to the streets and I applaud them loudly for doing so... It's not all about democratically held elections.. It's about keeping the promises you made to win those elections..
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*Ever heard of a recall, btw?

i can't believe that you agree with what you're saying.

You're saying it is ok for the military to oust a freely elected government by the people that had over 50% of the vote.

personally i think that is very dangerous - and i do not agree - as the Guardian article above said "Egypt coup: the military has not just ousted Morsi. It has ousted democracy. Future governments in Cairo will not now dare defy the army. A political-ideological clash could become a life-and-death one"

even if i disagree with Morsi and his actions

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