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Re: Morsi Is Ousted

Posted by **BlackMonk** on Jul 5, 2013 at 11:36:07 AM:
In Reply to: Re: Morsi Is Ousted posted by **murray** on Jul 5, 2013 at 10:53:49 AM:

******************* The Egyptian military has announced that Morsi has been ousted and will be replaced...
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*******************They have also announced a suspension of the Islamist-drenched Constitution...
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*******************Now look for Obama to find his vocal cords...
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******************Of course, Now he'll open his mouth in defense of the Muslim Brotherhood members..If he comes to the aid of Morsi, we can take
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******************It's obvious the people and the military of Egypt did not want an Islamist in charge of things.
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******************Time to mind our own business for a change.
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*****************Did you give that advice to Dubya too? You know, the one who corrupted our reputation world-wide? Hmm I can't remember...
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****************Well of course the world is waking up to US imperialism and it is that which is destroying US 'reputation'......Bush has already been found guilty of war crimes in a far Eastern country.
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****************Did you see all of the "Nobama" signs recently on display in SA, and the ones in Egypt too..."Obama stop supporting Fascist regimes" etc .....Doesn't appear that Obama has much standing anywhere just lately tbh.....only amongst the die hard left in the US.....funny that, and they're usually the anti-imperialist, anti-war types too.
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***************'die-hard left in the US'?? isn't that an oxymoron?
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**************of course, but good luck getting an acknowledgement of that... the die-hard repugs on this site will conveniently look past George W's complete ruination of our country's reputation in the world community -- look it up (I know you don't need to but they should, though they won't)... they are so quick to criticize Obama for anything without acknowledging that Congress has stone-walled anything he's tried to accomplish on behalf of the needy because of the whole "I have mine so screw the rest" mentality...I don't need to say anything else but of course the entitled will grill my ass on a Weber grill (happy Independence day)
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************* Who are these "diehard repugs" you speak of? I for on have never belonged to the Republican party and these days I am less likely than ever to change my status as an independent...
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*************I lost count of how many time Winston has slammed George W. Bush on this board......Doesn't come across like a raving Bushie to me... PYCB is or was was a registered Democrat...I don't recall whether he is still registered as such...... Hippie J has called frequently for war crimes prosecution of Geroge W. Bush and members of his administration..
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*************So who are these diehard repugs?
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************Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you're missing some context here. I don't remember Winston slamming Bush except when he's slamming Obama, then saying "well, Bush was wrong, too" after someone brings up Bush doing the same thing. I don't think he ever criticized Bush before Obama was elected. Has PYCB ever supported any policies that could be called Democratic, much less leftist? Whenever he discusses a specific issue, he takes the Republican position:voter ID laws, healthcare, taxes, the size of government, etc. Whatever he says his registration is, if he constantly takes the Republican position, he's a Republican. Hippie J also constantly takes the Republican position, but that's part of her persona. When Bush was in office, everything was his fault, but the minute Obama took over, everything was his fault.
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***********exactly... JL would be appalled by the "I got mine so screw you" attitude around here... sad
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***********anyone who thinks or claims John Lennon would be a conservative Repub is delusional and it's really offensive to suggest so
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********** Does it say that you're free to say what's on your mind as long as it aligns perfectly with J's philosophy..
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**********No...
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**********If there was one thing positive I could say about hippie j, it's on consistency involving policy...... She relentlessly expressed her opposition to policies put in place by George W. Bush....If some of those policies were kept in place by Barack Obama, why should she not continue to voice her opposition? Especially when it's known that Obama blasted the very same policies he later kept in place...... It's quite apparent that many on the left understand this quite well.. It's certainly not a Republican specialty...
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*********Then you're saying that Hippie J is more ethical than those here who were fine with Bush's policies but are outraged when Obama does something similar to them? Say, those who were fine with the Patriot Act, but who are SHOCKED when it turns out that Obama is doing something the Patriot Act allows him to do?
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******** Obama slammed the Patriot Act....He made promises he didn't keep ...Maybe that doesn't matter much to you but many on the left have enough of a conscience to hold him accountable just as they held Bush accountable... Why shouldn't they?
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*******He did change the Patriot Act. It might surprise you, but we don't live in a monarchy. The president has to work with congress and make compromises. Now, does your last sentence also mean that those who didn't hold Bush accountable have no right to hold Obama accountable?
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******On second thought, I've been trying to hold a conversation with you and not turn this into an insultfest. Since you're starting up with "if they had a conscience, they would have a problem with Obama," you've brought this into childish insult territory. I don't care how you talk to other people, but if I'm going to talk to you as an adult and accept that people can honestly disagree with me without it being a moral failing, I expect you to do the same.
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***** Stop trying to make it all about you...I said "many on the left"...What you call childish insult I call fact...There are reporters and commentators out there who know full well they slammed Bush for almost eight solid years on civil liberties . and many other things...Their conscience demands that they do the same when Obama is responsible for the same actions... They make the actions paramount, not loyalty to any political party...... That deserves respect, imo...
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****The actual fact is that you brought personal attacks into this, whether it was directed at me or not, and you didn't say one word about who it was directed at. In fact, you still haven't said that it wasn't directed at me. Now, you can say that the positions seem inconsistent and that is a factual statement about your perceptions. However, when you say that those people don't have consciences, you're making a moral judgement, not stating a fact. You're assuming that you know the reasons their two responses aren't the same. A more honest approach would be to ask the reasons for the discrepancy, avoiding both the assumption and the moral judgement.
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****How is what you're doing any different from someone who says that if someone criticizes Obama but didn't criticize Bush while he was president, that person is doing so because of racism?
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***So are you saying that what was demanded of me frequently for 8 years was perfectly fair but when I apply the same standards, it's completely unfair and dishonest?
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***What goes around, you know...
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**Wow, I'm holding you to the same standards you're applying to everyone else and you're calling me unfair? Either you can complain about the way you've been treated, which you have, or you can treat others the same way. You can't do both without looking like a jerk..
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**Now, does that mean that since you consider the way you were treated unfair, that you really don't mean what you say and are just playing a tit-for-tat game, or is this your way of admitting that your criticism of Obama really was rooted in racism?
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**Oh, and please back up your claim that I ever said calling you a racist was perfectly fair? Or that any of those "reporters and commentators" did so. Or is your attitude here "someone who disagrees with me treated me badly, therefore it's perfectly fair to treat a different person with similar politics the same way?"
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**By the way, still waiting for you to make clear whether or not your comment about consciences was referring to me or not.
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* Going exactly where I knew you'd go... If I say anything that sounds as though I'm angry or disgusted by something Obama has done, you can be damn well sure I am sincerely disgusted or angry...


Did I ever say you weren't?


*As far as being a jerk, why on God's green earth would I spend one second being concerned over whether YOU consider me a jerk or not? I have no interest in gaining your seal of approval...The thought of it sickens me...
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And so you avoid owning up to your own hypocrisy.

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So you say. Your posts tell a different story.

...If someone want to apply standards to me, they better damn well be prepared to follow those same standards or I'm going to call them the double standard -sucking fucks that they are...
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Then why should you expect anyone to treat you differently. As I've pointed out, you're using your own double standard.


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*The conscience bit was NOT intended solely for you...

Are you saying that I was included in it?

*It was intended for everyone who suddenly lost their voices after they had been making demands of me for years..."There's only one way you can prove you're not the raving Bushie we accuse you of being. You have to slam Bush to out specifications and we'll give you our seal of approval."
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Since you're treating other people that way, you must think it was fair to treat you that way. Otherwise, as I've said, you've got a double standard.

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*In your face, assholes...
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*I want the same proof you demanded of me...

Me? I didn't demand anything from you. I only told you what your posts sounded like, and I don't remember you criticizing Bush when he was president over any of the things you've criticized Obama for. I guess that means, by your standards, you don't have a conscience.

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