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Re: Is there a God?

Posted by **Winston OBoogie** on Jun 27, 2013 at 12:38:00 PM:
In Reply to: Re: Is there a God? posted by **comic relief** on Jun 26, 2013 at 6:38:44 PM:

**********Pics: container ship carrying weapons for Syrian rebels splits in half
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*********Why would weapons intended for Syrian rebels be shipped from Singapore to a port in Saudi Arabia that's at least 2000 km from Syria?
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********It gives a case for plausible denial by those that actually sent them?
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*******What plausible deniability? The White House clearly told the world that they would be supplying arms to the rebel groups in Syria.
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******We already know the US announced they were supporting the rebels..You don't honestly think the shipments are coming directly from here do you? there is a third party involvement here that may not want to get directly caught up in this. Coming out of Singapore? Gee wonder who that could be..
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******Of course the Chinese can always disclaim (deniability) they knew about the shipment..are you getting the idea here? The deniability isn't from us..it's from whoever is actually moving the weapons to where they have to go. I suspect Russian involvement perhaps in intercepting the ship or sabotaging it so
******the weapons wouldn't get there. This whole thing is going to play out like some Hollywood movie IMO.
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*****You've watched too many Hollywood movies.
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*****A cargo ship breaks in half and someone makes the claim that that ship was carrying weapons. There's absolutely nothing to support any part of that. Anyhoo, the ship hasn't sunk, the separated halves have been floating per their design and salvage ships were scheduled to arrive today. Some containers have been lost, but the majority remain on the ship's two parts.
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*****You try to claim that someone has a reason for plausible deniability, but the US is the largest weapons exporter in the world...do you really think that we have to do clandestine shipments on cargo ships out of Singapore? The White House clearly stated they would supply weapons to moderate Syrian rebels. They can send those weapons via UPS or FED EX if need be. Or they can transfer a few of the multi-billion dollars worth of armaments that are being abandoned in Afghanistan and Iraq as part of the withdraw.
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*****This ship wreck is nothing more than an improperly loaded ship that obviously had some structural flaws and encountered turbulent seas.
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*****Keep on looking for your Hollywood explanation, you can make it real if you believe enough.
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****You can believe what you want to believe. But keep in mind (and I've been saying this for many years) THIS country does some things that we think only OTHER countries do.
****And never underestimate what clandestine activities we may be engaged in at any given time.
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***Did I say that the US government doesn't do things we don't know about??? NOPE, didn't say anything even remotely close to that. I asked why weapons that the White House announced to the world would be provided would be delivered on a cargo ship that sailed out of Singapore and was destined for a port in Saudi Arabia 2000 km from Syria.
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***I don't know why you so easily embrace the ludicrous rather than look at something logically. From what I've read on some maritime sites, the most likely explanation is that the ship was probably improperly loaded with too much weight in the bow and stern, and that caused it to buckle in the middle as it rode over the waves. If you look at this picture, you can clearly see it buckled and broke. Engineers design the ship to be able to withstand the stresses, but obviously something went catastrophically wrong on this ship. Whether it was the weather and sea conditions, the captain, the cargo load or a combination of all of the above, I don't know. But a torpedo??? Not completely out of the realm of possibility, but EXTREMELY unlikely.
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***Give me just one reason that you believe this ship was carrying weapons destined for Syria and that some government tried to sink it. This container ship sank in March, was it carrying weapons destined for some other rebel force? What about all the shipwrecks in 2012? Were they all carrying weapons and were they purposely ran aground or had other vessels run into them to sabotage the shipment? You keep saying that this is unprecedented, but yet you ignore Travis's link that clearly identifies another instance of a container ship splitting in two in 2008. That was due to the captain not reducing his speed as the ship encountered large waves.
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**What I'm saying must be going over your head.
**Who the fuck said anything about a torpedo!?! LOL
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*You did: "I suspect Russian involvement perhaps in intercepting the ship". How else would the Russian intercept the ship without being seen other than a torpedo?
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**Can you prove without a doubt that there WEREN'T any weapons onboard that ship? Don't think you can. There's no proof either way.
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*Can you prove without a doubt that the ship wasn't actually the secret lair of Dr Evil? Don't think you can. There's no proof either way.
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**There is nothing ludicrous about a ship splitting in two and creating a controversy over how it happened. Despite whatever shipbuilding material failures or human error may have taken place, the subject of sabotage can never be completely ruled out in instances like this. I never said it was sabotage for sure, nor did I ever say there were confirmed weapons onboard.
**Initial reports said there may have been..are YOU so sure they
**weren't? Don't just take things for granted at the first explanation that sounds logical, comes along.
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*Initial reports??? You mean some jackass with a computer and internet connection that created a story to get the paranoid idiots of the world excited?
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**Just remember.. ANYTHING is possible in this day and age and just because sometimes strange things happen, it shouldn't just be dismissed with the first explanation that comes along.
**Only a fool is positive.
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*Ummm, aren't you taking the first explanation that came along? You're taking the ship being purposing damaged because there were weapons on board explanation and telling me that there is no other way for a ship like this to have split in two. You're expecting the: "whole thing is going to play out like some Hollywood movie IMO", right?
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I am not taking any explanation as being the truth at this point. I remain skeptical. What you're not comprehending here is that I never said it was in fact sabotage. I said sabotage cannot be ruled out. That's just common sense in incidents that aren't immediately investigated and explained.
And IF by chance it were sabotage, who would be a likely suspect...I indicated possibly the Russians. I never said it was for sure did I.

And then you go on about a torpedo?? Where did you get that idea from?? You haven't answered the question...WHO ever said anything about a torpedo strike? I never said anything about a torpedo LMAO!!


You (as always) try to read in too much in what is actually being said. Of course that's nothing new from you is it.
Then you try to twist things to make it sound like I was saying something I never said...and you're calling me the fool? ROFLMAO!!!!








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