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Re: Is there a God?

Posted by **comic relief** on Jun 26, 2013 at 12:41:01 AM:
In Reply to: Re: Is there a God? posted by **Winston OBoogie** on Jun 25, 2013 at 2:47:40 PM:

*******Pics: container ship carrying weapons for Syrian rebels splits in half
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******Why would weapons intended for Syrian rebels be shipped from Singapore to a port in Saudi Arabia that's at least 2000 km from Syria?
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*****It gives a case for plausible denial by those that actually sent them?
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****What plausible deniability? The White House clearly told the world that they would be supplying arms to the rebel groups in Syria.
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***We already know the US announced they were supporting the rebels..You don't honestly think the shipments are coming directly from here do you? there is a third party involvement here that may not want to get directly caught up in this. Coming out of Singapore? Gee wonder who that could be..
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***Of course the Chinese can always disclaim (deniability) they knew about the shipment..are you getting the idea here? The deniability isn't from us..it's from whoever is actually moving the weapons to where they have to go. I suspect Russian involvement perhaps in intercepting the ship or sabotaging it so
***the weapons wouldn't get there. This whole thing is going to play out like some Hollywood movie IMO.
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***Stay tuned film at 11.
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**You've watched too many Hollywood movies.
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**A cargo ship breaks in half and someone makes the claim that that ship was carrying weapons. There's absolutely nothing to support any part of that. Anyhoo, the ship hasn't sunk, the separated halves have been floating per their design and salvage ships were scheduled to arrive today. Some containers have been lost, but the majority remain on the ship's two parts.
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**You try to claim that someone has a reason for plausible deniability, but the US is the largest weapons exporter in the world...do you really think that we have to do clandestine shipments on cargo ships out of Singapore? The White House clearly stated they would supply weapons to moderate Syrian rebels. They can send those weapons via UPS or FED EX if need be. Or they can transfer a few of the multi-billion dollars worth of armaments that are being abandoned in Afghanistan and Iraq as part of the withdraw.
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**This ship wreck is nothing more than an improperly loaded ship that obviously had some structural flaws and encountered turbulent seas.
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**Keep on looking for your Hollywood explanation, you can make it real if you believe enough.
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*You can believe what you want to believe. But keep in mind (and I've been saying this for many years) THIS country does some things that we think only OTHER countries do.
*And never underestimate what clandestine activities we may be engaged in at any given time.
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Did I say that the US government doesn't do things we don't know about??? NOPE, didn't say anything even remotely close to that. I asked why weapons that the White House announced to the world would be provided would be delivered on a cargo ship that sailed out of Singapore and was destined for a port in Saudi Arabia 2000 km from Syria.

I don't know why you so easily embrace the ludicrous rather than look at something logically. From what I've read on some maritime sites, the most likely explanation is that the ship was probably improperly loaded with too much weight in the bow and stern, and that caused it to buckle in the middle as it rode over the waves. If you look at this picture, you can clearly see it buckled and broke. Engineers design the ship to be able to withstand the stresses, but obviously something went catastrophically wrong on this ship. Whether it was the weather and sea conditions, the captain, the cargo load or a combination of all of the above, I don't know. But a torpedo??? Not completely out of the realm of possibility, but EXTREMELY unlikely.

Give me just one reason that you believe this ship was carrying weapons destined for Syria and that some government tried to sink it. This container ship sank in March, was it carrying weapons destined for some other rebel force? What about all the shipwrecks in 2012? Were they all carrying weapons and were they purposely ran aground or had other vessels run into them to sabotage the shipment? You keep saying that this is unprecedented, but yet you ignore Travis's link that clearly identifies another instance of a container ship splitting in two in 2008. That was due to the captain not reducing his speed as the ship encountered large waves.

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