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Re: Watermelon Oreos
Posted by **murray** on Jun 21, 2013 at 5:37:12 PM:
In Reply to: Re: Watermelon Oreos posted by **BlackMonk** on Jun 21, 2013 at 4:57:42 PM:
******************** Seems that watermelon Oreos are creating some controversy... The company has tried a couple of different limited-edition flavors and this year's choice is watermelon...
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********************Some people seem to think the very concept is racist...
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******************** Is it?
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*******************Racist, no. Doesn't sound too tasty though. Watermelon and chocolate don't really go hand in hand. I could see watermelon with their golden creme cookie, that might be tasty.
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****************** That's another thing... Are they really Oreos?...From the picture of the package I saw, looks as though the cookies are vanilla and not chocolate...
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******************As far as the taste factor, I can't say as I'm not big on sandwich cookies in general...
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*****************Technically I think they are called golden creme. They are Oreos in the same sense that soft and chewy chips ahoy cookies are still chips ahoy chocolate chip cookies. But to me an Oreo is chocolate cookie with creme filling.
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****************The article I read mentioned that some people obviously have a problem with Watermelon Oreos...
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****************Now, if African-Americans say that the concept is racist, does that make it so because they are qualified to make that call?
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****************Suppose the response was mostly positive...Most people liked this flavor. If a small amount of people had a problem with the very idea of it, should this limited edition product have an even shorter shelf life?
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***************No. Because Oreos have nothing to do with black people (save the black people who eat Oreos). They are a chocolate cookie that is black and white. Now if they said New Sambo Edition Oreos: Watermelon! That would be racist. But the cookie has no ties to black people whatsoever. It's people making a big stink about nothing.
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**************Actually, "oreos" has been used to accuse black people of "acting white." It's possible the juxtaposition of that and a watermelon flavor makes the concept seem racist to some.
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**************Of course, I've seen no evidence that many people do find this racist, just a handful of tweets, and you can pretty much find people who dislike anything on Twitter. That's assuming all of those tweets were serious.
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************* Didn't the Oreo slang version originate in the black community?
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*************if so, how can a black person be offended by something their own people created?
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************Have you ever said anything to a close friend or a family member that they would have taken differently if someone they did have the same relationship with had said it? Context matters.
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*********** Nabisco made a cookie.. They didn't have a damn thing to do with the slang version of Oreo... Yet now they're going to be slammed for something over which they had no control?..
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**********Life's like that. Everything has context. Nothing is outside of history.
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***********I'm sorry but it smacks of a power trip..."We created the seond meaning and you didn't but we demand you acknowledge and respect the meaning we assigned or we'll accuse you of racism."
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**********No. Your posts sound like a power trip. "If you're white, you should be able to do whatever you want and not care about the context."
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********* Can you truly not see the danger in this picture? A company can innocently name a product, a minority group can conjure up a slang usage for that product name with negative connotations...Then they can use this against a company which had absolutely npthing whatsoever to do with the negative connotations..
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********That's absurd. The associations of both watermelon and oreos existed long before this product did. Ignorance isn't an excuse.
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*******Of course it is.. Ignorance of the fact that the black community is responsible for the negative meaning of Oreo, not the company..
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******You still don't understand. Regardless of who used it first, it still carries that association now, and as I pointed out and you ignored, things have different meanings depending on who says them.
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********But I'm still waiting for some evidence that the objections to this product were more than a handful of tweets.
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*********I cannot believe anyone could fail to see what's wrong with that...
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********Maybe it's not my failure, but yours.
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*******Oh but of course.... If things were as blatant as the example maclen gave, I could see some justification for slamming the company... But not because the company wanted to have a summertime flavor and chose watermelon which is enjoyed by quite a few people during the summer months, shocking as that might be...
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******Then you get to decide what is and isn't racist? Do you see the problem with a white person telling black people what they should or shouldn't find offensive?
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*******Once again, PC's poster child and I are on opposite sides...What else is new?
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******Once again, white (actually, white Christian male) privilege and I are on opposite sides. What else is new?
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*****Is that all you see with the four other people who stated that the concept of a watermelon flavored Oreo is not racist?
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****I'm talking about you specifically. It was a response to your childish comment. For the record, there were two people who strongly agreed with you and one who made an incorrect statement. I corrected that statement and since I have no respect for either of the other two people, I give no considering to their posts.
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*** Would you prefer that I called you a member of the chronically offended contingent? If there has ever been a PC move discussed;on this board of which you did not approve, I missed it... Whether it's reasonable or nutso, if someone takes offense, that's enough for you.. Then the 'offender' must run like a scared rabbit to make amends for his awful deed...
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**If there's ever a chance to defend white privilege on this board or to make a case that only your perceptions are valid, you've run with it.
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**Since when did it become a bad thing to take into account the perspectives of others?
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***I have never encountered anyone who has come off more like the press secretary for political correctness than yourself...
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**"Political correctness" can be more accurately termed "not acting like a self-centered jerk."
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***The thought of you being in a position of considerable power is a disturbing thought..
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*Ok, against my better judgement, I'm going to try to explain this one more time. I never posted "These are racist. Nabisco must stop making them immediately." What I have done is say that if a person is black, that person has a right to find it racist and a person who isn't part of the affected group isn't in a position to tell a person that they're wrong when they see bigotry directed at them. Doing so is patronizing because it carries an attitude of "we know better than you about things that affect you more than they do us."
Did you mot say I would have the right to state my opinion on whether or not I found something to be racist? Why do you assume it would necessarily be coming from a "You're wrong, very wrong and entirely wrong!" angle rather than a "Just consider this please" angle?
I keep getting conflicting things from you.....You state that I have the right to voice my opinion but at the moment where a black person declares something racist, I'm supposed to just say "Oh okay, that settles it then" and shut up? You say it's so therefore it must be so? Sorry, no can do...Followup Messages:
- Re: Watermelon Oreos - **BlackMonk** - Jun 21, 2013 at 10:44:09 PM
- Re: Watermelon Oreos - **The Duke** - Jun 24, 2013 at 11:46:06 PM
- Re: Watermelon Oreos - **murray** - Jun 21, 2013 at 11:24:07 PM
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