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Re: The No Politics Thread
Posted by **Johnny D** on Jun 18, 2013 at 11:36:29 PM:
In Reply to: Re: The No Politics Thread posted by **The Duke** on Jun 18, 2013 at 3:39:06 PM:
*************One cannot overcome oneself by overcoming someone else.
*************The false self can never be the true self.
*************What then is the basis of your struggle?
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************I have no struggles of that kind. Just usual factors to deal with.
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************With True Love as the foundation, there is no overcoming anyone.
************That means: "Selfless and Unconditional Love"! THEE greatest gift to others. Many hold on to what THEY want and need in a relationship of lover of friend. That would be overcoming someone. Not good for anyone!
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************True Love means putting others first, even when it isn't what we need. (Knowing what the other needs, and backing off, AND even HELPING them in their needs, despite it not being what you wanted). "That" will allow others to get what "they" need. It might just hurt not to hold onto that love of another, (for one example I am witnessing of a friend's situation this past year and now). So, I was "taught" what I'm talking about, by seeing what REAL LOVE is all about! "Selfless and Unconditional Love"!
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************Lucky me to be seeing it in action! As Humbling as it gets! Inspiring too. I have good people in my life, to learn such things from! I mean GOOD-to-the-Core people, starting with my parents and older sister! Not many around with such selfless love for ALL others. The only struggle would be to achieve such a level of that Love. Many don't even bother with such a Love. They then, I feel, are missing out on what living day to day is really all about.
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************Love your thread idea of what NOT to talk about! :) Keep em coming!
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***********Where did he say "what not to talk about"?
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***********People tend to lump some things under politics when they involve far more than just that...
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**********LOL...it was in his title! :)
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********* Maybe it's just me but "what not to talk about" has a certain tone to it...Especially when it's followed by "Keep 'em comin'"...
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********* Sometimes things which have a clear political element go beyond politics into the essence of who we are and how we tick..
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********* Quite often, the political factor is a springboard into much much deeper territory
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******** And sometimes we think too much! (That finger is pointed straight at me!)
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******* There have been plenty of times when I thought I didn't want to give a damn..
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******* Then I realized the things which fascinated me had always done so and always would do so.... No point in trying to run from that... It is indeed as the Moodies once put it, a question of balance...
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***** Balance is the key! Yes! I agree! Too much water kills us. Too little is also fatal.too much or too little oxygen ...food...heat ...cold...
***** Extremes kill.
***** I used basic needs to illustrate my concept, but there are conceptual matters to balance as well that are not so surely fixed as the physical needs. With concepts, beliefs and attitudes, it is most often we, ourselves who afix the fulcrum. The balance is of our own determination, and not so clear as physical needs.
***** Ah! Look at me! Foolosiphying again! But thanks for your attention.
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****Weigh everything in love for family, friends, and even strangers who agree on the spot to exchange a HI or whatever else comes to both minds! The rest is just common sense, (balancing) as it was put.
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*** You're neglecting that the placement of the fulcrum is a choice John. You're imposing your value system on others. I happen to agree with your values, but that's not the issue.
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**OOOHHH,,,,I see. Thank you! I do tend to think that which works for me will work for others. BUT,,,,LOVE works, no matter,,,IF, and this is a BIG If,,,,IF ones love for another or others is selfless and unconditional! That is not my thinking. That's just what real love is ALL about! My friend demonstrated this while dealing with his struggle of a love he so desires. He let go of that person, for he saw she needed another direction, and had to experience that direction, despite being married for 25 years to him. His failing health being the ONLY reason of the marriage failing. He did NOT want his wife to deal with his aging issues, with her being younger and healthy, with new desires of her own.
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**He is CRUSHED about not having her around to help him daily, and growing old together, but he encouraged her to go, and even helped her with giving her his car, his money, and advice. NO messy divorce there! Just the opposite! WOW!!! THAT is Selfless and Unconditional LOVE! Very hard to actually have and carry out. His name is Mike Caro, my hero, for showing what Love should be. The CARE and desires of "another" before self. NO matter what it means for self. Humbling, for sure! Not sure if that's in me fully.
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* Good thoughts, and a Lennon /Beatles fan site is always an appropriate place to promote Love.
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* I forever remind my children (and others as well) that Love is the only thing that the more of it you give away, the more of it you have!
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