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Re: Is This What You Envisioned?
Posted by **Johnny D** on Jun 14, 2013 at 12:22:01 PM:
In Reply to: Re: Is This What You Envisioned? posted by **Old Flat Top** on Jun 14, 2013 at 7:59:07 AM:
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******* Obama taking actions which receive enthusiastic cheers from the likes of John McCain and Lindsay Graham, people who have frequently labeled as warmongers by the left?
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*******Even Bill Clinton chimed in to agree with McCain that Obama's failure to take more drastic measures could end up painting him as a wuss...
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*******Is this what you signed up for in 2008?
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*******Is this yet another thing to be placed in the 'It's all for the greater good' file?
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*******Does this give you another reason to feel proud that you voted for Barack Obama?
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******People wanted a black president. Obama was th one that got past the rest. So, it was him or no black president, plain and simple. I have always said that any job should go to the best person, regardless of skin color, which works all ways of course. But to have what many black people did, JUST vote for the black guy, (whoever that would be), is just what could be called doing what the whites did and many still would, which is JUST keep voting for the white guy.
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******The odd thing is, they didn't get a full black person anyway. But settled on Obama as a still a symbol of a black president, to just get him in, regardless. All who JUST wanted a black president, and didn't check out his Chicago past and much inexperience in general, got what they voted for, JUST a black president. Half that at that. I was rooting for him, although I didn't vote for him. I don't buy into the hype of a good speech. I just didn't think he was ready to take on the real leaders of this country. And, I don;t like the Chicago way of his and others. Although Washington is worse!
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******Lesson learned by those types of voters though, who will vote JUST based on skin color? Probably not.
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***** It's stunning.. here's the guy who Obama defeated in 2008...The scary old dude so many didn't want near the Oval Office.. All that "McCain scares the everlovin' poop out of me!" stuff....Now Obama's taking his recommendations on what to do in Syria as if he were McCain's kid being ordered to take out the trash...
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*****And we still get such roaring silence,...
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****Well,,,if we think about it in both or all party ways of loyalists, the pubs and whoever else have done and will do the same thing. Some will deny it all. Some will not want to admit their guy is bot all that. Some yet will be blind to it, and make excuses for him and love him even more!
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****Human nature to do all of that and more! From any party members.
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****Usually, pain will have most just not want to say anything, except to themselves or spouses. Like, "Damn! That so and so is letting us down and making us look bad". But to say that on a public forum? I don't hold anything against anyone choosing not to speak up. No need to have them say anything actually. Silence may be loud anyhow, know what I mean?
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****I feel bad for all Americans, for like some other presidents, we all had to go through a bunch of crap to get to the next! Sometimes that wasn't so hit either! For ANY party. They ALL are JUST politicians, not US. They changed when they saw how the game is played and WHY,,,like what the presidents must be told. We can only imagine. I think Obama got in and maybe thought, "OH Really? That is how it is"?
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****AND,,,MAYBE he has been set up to fail. (advisers from the CIA, NSA, etc). Who knows! Or, he just out of his leadership league. Bush jr. was too, but he acted like he wasn't.
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*** With all due respect, I can only give so much weight to the "human nature" excuse and with good reason...
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***But you're right that something is revealed, whether it's through words or silence...
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**Point taken, (human nature).
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**I might go off a bit in the following, but it might be somewhat relative to this thread:
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**There are two Americas, it seems. One that the politicians and the CIA and whoever else work and live in. And the America the rest of us live, work, play, and love in, and so forth. Blending the two is tried by the rest of us, and the families of the CIA and politicians. But a true blending of the two is prohibited.
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**Oil and water. Many try, but really, we are just given a leash of sorts to which to protest and such. Weapons being what they are FOR and WITH the Gov's services, the rest of us can do little more than give links, shout this and that, show up at rallies, throw bottles, bring the usual consumer weapons, (Wow)!, and then go back to our jobs. So, the machine continues, using suits to give speeches, and then have the people fight over who should be the next president. THAT is the fight they know we always will fight in force, (watching TV about it all), and that keeps the majority from doing much about anything else. They know they have ALL the weapons. They know they have is by the balls as to us running to the poles to vote who we think will be THEE LEADER of all time! Ha!!! As IF! They control the president as much as anything. Wouldn't they have to, to keep their ever going actions in place all over the world?
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**The poor press secretary! What a screwed up job he has! He has to lie about the lies that the CIA and others lie about to the president, or do some other stuff that forces the president to say or do this or that. Then again,,,,the poor press secretary has to make it seem like his guy is doing one hell of a job! Ha!
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**It's all a farce...This president or that one. They don;t control the CIA or whoever else! So, I an see how many times they put foot in mouth! Then again, again,,,,the poor press secretary has to come out and sound smart about it all!And make his guy right,,all the time! LOL
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**Our vote should go for women to take over the world! And in all counties, and FK the men in all the closed door men groups to figure out how to kill others. We suck! Look at the Phillies! Stupid men coaches can't even teach men to take the right approach at bat! LOL..or get the players who can actually know stuff that 15 year olds know! (Told you I might go off a bit)! But still maybe relative?
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**Forget blacks voting for blacks, and whites voting for whites, and so forth! People should vote for the best women possible, and JUST have us cavemen spit our way off to work, and do what we're told by Smart, Common Sense Women! (not the new kind of teens and such that kill their x lover) but the ones like my daughter, sister and wife! As apposed to Moe, Larry and Curly!
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**That's the world I would like to see!
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**Thoughts? And thanks, even if disagreeing completely.
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*All you're saying is there is some group called "they" who have the power over other people and you accept that this is just how it is but you wish in some kind of dreamworld it could be otherwise. But you will be the first person to tell me that you're NOT brainwashed. That you've figured this all out by your own introspection and consent to it but will get pissed off if I call you a sheeple.
*Reexamine what you wrote and tell me how it is anything other than that.
*Reason I point this out is that you are accountable for what you allow to happen even if you somehow think you had nothing to do with it or no power to stop it. It's YOUR fault. You give power to the lie.
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I don't get your attitude there Flat. But, OK I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and concede you must know something I don't about what I said. ????
If I am surprised by your reply, it is because I don't relate to how it relates to me. I merely gave observations as to the already known,,,,the obvious. I wasn't thinking I was teaching anybody anything. My fault is being born into an already politically run machine of might and force. That, and my intense need to fulfill my musical quests, while at the same time, love and help my family and friends. My fault? Then, OK, I concede that too, of all I do prevents me from marching in the streets or whatever. WHO here does that anyhow? What is anyone DOING besides talking or complaining, or giving links to already known sites?
I have no apologies for ALL I do. My family and in-person friends and neighbors are glad I do what I do, (and for what I don't do, I guess)? And, s to HOW I am. My fault? Well...so be it then. Put the blame on me for living my life as I see fit for the ones around me, day to day, AND for me. Tell the world it's my fault then. I'll then show them why it has to be that way though. NO prob. No apologies.
Thanks for your time, David,Followup Messages:
- Re: Is This What You Envisioned? - **Old Flat Top** - Jun 16, 2013 at 8:52:51 AM
- Re: Is This What You Envisioned? - **Johnny D** - Jun 17, 2013 at 6:00:55 PM
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